* I've submitted this idea to Oregon's Pacific Power 3 times, but with no response. However, after another round of Google searching and emailing to others --tah-dah:
* --I got two good responses from Northwest Energy Efficiency Alliance, which not only came to grips with what's posted here, they're well ahead of me. Reasonably fast heat pump (a dryer with an integrated dehumidifier) and even "radio wave" (microwave?) based solutions are being developed with promising test results. Whirlpool is supposed to have already marketed a "heat pump" type clothes dryer --per:
--which (if I understand it correctly) dehumidifies forced air drawn from the tumbler drum by passing it through a refrigerated coil --no doubt to subsequently reheat that air as it passes through the compressor's condensing coils/fins --before re-entering the tumbler drum. (One might attempt to do that by ducting a conventional electric dryer --to and from a standard dehumidifier --running the drier without the heat on, of course.)
* NEEA's Senior Product Manager, Christopher Dymond, (in an NEEA associated discussion forum) made a compelling point. Heat pump (dehumidification) based dryers run at only warm temperatures, whereas conventional dryers rather "toast" clothes dry --and high temperatures are hell on modern, synthetic content clothing.
The best (so far) alternative dryer (or prototype dryer) tested out at only one kilowatt-hour(!) in order to dry 8 pounds of regular clothing, whereas my dehumidifier approach requires about 2.6 KWH of input energy.
The projected retail price of these new appliances might run as high as $1400, whereas the following DIY solution costs about $200. (If you already own a fan and a dehumidifier, your investment cost would be for a clothes line and wall hooks --or a standard folding drying rack.)
* While the initial appliance cost is a big issue, the KWH input
per load is not. What counts (IMO) is eliminating
the outside vent/exhaust^. This is because the energy input
of an in-the-home, designed to be ventless clothes
dryer (or: a home spun clothes drying arrangement using hung laundry and
a dehumidifier) --can largely subtract from the energy required to warm
your home --during a long heating season. That could be as much as watt
for watt if you're using electric heat in the drying room's vicinity.
^Please note that eliminating the outside vent is something you do not want to do with an ordinary electric clothes dryer, and doing so could be lethal with a gas dryer.
I've estimated the cost of venting a conventional dryer to be as high as one KWH per load.
* After reading the NEEA's responses, which cited kilowatt hours needed per 8 pounds of clothes, I realized that my original "large load" and "maximum load" laundry tub volume based numbers needed better support. I've weighed a typical, loosely packed, mixed load here at 7.2 pounds: the same ball park as the NEEA's loads.
In 2012, these concerns moved me to try a new approach. I unplugged our clothes dryer (240V x 28 amps = 6720 watts), closed off its outside vent, put up 3 clothes lines in our small utility room^ (3 interior walls, floor, ceiling, door), added a box fan (110 watts) and a dehumidifier (draws 430 watts, 60 watts with the compressor cycled off, only 2 watts with the fan cycled off as well).
* I set the dehumidifier's compressor to cycle off at 50% relative humidity --but I don't know what the optimum humidity setting should be --which would be some best compromise between drying speed and needlessly sucking water vapor out of the house. A fresh load of hung laundry starts the utility room out over 70% RH and it reaches 50% after about 4 hours.
^ If you don't have a dedicated utility room, it's an old tradition to set up clothes lines and/or a drying rack over the bath tub. An added advantage is that, by code, the drywall panels in bathrooms are rated for high humidity.
* The total savings --dehumidifier versus our clothes dryer, would make for an interesting engineering study. I'd need to determine the total cost of the air our dryer expels (see below), what thermal retention I realize as the fan and dehumidifier heat migrates into the rest of our house ( finally: by opening the door into our warmed utility room). One other small gain comes from pouring the 8+ pints of collected condensate (distilled water) into our washing machine, extending the effectiveness of the detergent and/or allowing a shorter wash cycle (which draws 650 watts).
* Our older, home type clothes washer and dryer are "maximum load" models, which we use near capacity. I measured the washer's tub at 3.2 cubic feet, which I typically load with 7 to 8 pounds (dry) of mixed laundry items. Our clothes dryer took at least 40 minutes to dry such a load --for about 4.5 KWH.
* At 5 hours on the first dehumidifier test run load (heavy on towels and wash cloths), we found our dehumidified clothes quite dry, but with one towel still slightly damp. At that point the continuously running box fan had used 0.55 KWH, while the dehumidifier's Kill-A-Watt had logged 1.97 KWH. We normally let it run for a 6th hour (which is mostly off-cycled) for an estimated 2.8 KWH total. (9 pints of condensate this time.)
* A second test load (mostly clothes, 8 pints of extracted condensate^) was dried for 6 hours with both the dehumidifier and the fan plugged into the Kill-A-Watt. The total logged energy: 2.55 KWH. That's 57% of the dryer's energy, but the savings has to be better, given the (50%?) heat retention and that no hot air is exhausted.
Our (cold water) washing machine used 0.37 KWH for load #2, but during our long heating season, that simply displaces the KWH it takes to minimally heat our home. (Ditto, of course, for our centrally located old fridge and water heater.)
(^ At 970 BTU/pint, and 0.293 watt-hour per BTU, the latent heat of evaporation for 8 pints = 2.27 KWH.)
The worth of exhausted hot air (thanks to "Interest's" interest):
My calculations do not allow for the BTU or KWH cost for humidifying drawn in, dry outside air, the heating of that water vapor along with the air, nor for the expansion of outside air when heated to room temperature. Someone who knows, estimates and field engineers for the heating and refrigeration trade could dope that all out for us in a jiffy. (Science types might talk "molar weights", diatomic gas and adiabatic gas --shudder.)
So --just trying to account for the naked air that gets sucked out of your house:
~ I turned on our dryer and it filled a 13 gallon garbage bag in one second flat. The bag was somewhat cramped for being bound to the exhaust vent, but it measured out to containing 1.8 cubic foot (13.4 gallons).
~That adds up to 4320 cubic feet during a 40 minute dryer run.
~ Since air weighs 1.29 grams per liter, or 36.53 grams per cubic foot, and since the nominal specific heat of air is about a quarter (0.24) calorie per gram per degree celsius --or 8.77 calories per cubic foot per degree C --or 0.035 BTU per cubic foot per degree celsius, then:
~ Since there's only 0.000293 KWH per BTU --
~ Then we're talking 0.01 watt-hour per cubic foot per degree centigrade (or "celsius").
~ For 4320 cubic feet of exhausted air, that pencils out to 0.04 KWH per degree centigrade --
~ Or 0.025 KWH per degree Fahrenheit, or: about one extra KWH if it's freezing weather outside.
Again: adding the energy cost to keep your home at 50% relative humidity --should bump that up a bit.
* Steve wrote: > I did the same for a "drying room" in a climbing club hut in Wales many years ago - when you came in from the hills, it's usually in wet weather gear. It used to cost $2.00 an hour to run, and generally left the clothes hot but damp. I replaced it with a refrigerator sized dehumidifier and some big-ish ceiling fans to stir things up. The running cost was then less than $0.20/hr, and the clothes generally dried in under 2 hours.
Craig: Nice work, Steve(!) and thanks for your confirming data on this approach to drying clothes.
* "Interest" wrote: > Like this page --and I wonder how much heated air our gas dryer sucks out of our home?
Craig: Thanks for your interest, "Interest", and yes: I really should do an estimate of how many BTUs worth (and the kilowatt-hour equivalent) of heated home air goes out the dryer vent --per (say) 10 degrees difference, outside air to heated home air --during (say) a 40 minute dryer run. I've a feeling it's dreadful much. ("Interest"'s comment is presented here as remembered, since I'm off-line as I compose this response.) --Okay: I did it --sort of. Please see above.